Showing posts with label cliff lee. Show all posts
Showing posts with label cliff lee. Show all posts

Thursday, December 16, 2010

Cliff Lee's All Time Competition From Ages 32-36

It didn't escape me in my posting absence that Cliff Lee spurned the Rangers and Yankees to re-join the Phillies on a 5-year, $120 million deal. But by now, you've all heard every opinion possible about the matter. Jeez, Craig Calcaterra's crew at Hardball Talk wrote 16 posts about him in 18 hours. Instead of figuring out Texas' and New York's contingency plans or why the Angels are sitting on their hands, I wanted to take a look at what the Phillies hope they're getting over the next five years in a pitcher who will start his contract as a 32-year-old.

My research might not stand up to some of those who practice the Sabr science for a profession but I think it's a good once over for someone losing roughly $1.49 every month on this site. Also, Fangraphs WAR doesn't go past 1980 in the history annals so I'm using the similarly awesome stats from Baseball-Reference. Obviously, I didn't include pitchers from the deadball era because none of them lived to be 32.[citation needed]

1. Bob Gibson
Years: 1968-1972 WAR: 43.9 ERA: 2.35 ERA+: 150
The HOF Cardinal pitcher had an unbelievable five year stretch after he turned 32. His top WAR seasons were in 1968 (11.9), 1969 (11.0), 1970 (8.7) and 1972 (7.6). Nobody can be expecting Cliff Lee to touch these numbers but it could be possible Lee is hitting his peak on the typical wrong side of 30.

2. Randy Johnson
Years: 1997-2001 WAR: 37.4 ERA: 2.64 ERA+: 174
Technically, I'm cheating here. Johnson's first season that he started as a 32-year-old was 1996 but he only tossed 61.1 innings. If I swap out Johnson's 2002 season for his 1996 season, he ends up with a 30.2 WAR which would still be tied for second place. While I have no reason to expect Lee to be healthy for his 32-year-old season or even his 37-year-old season, it's always nice to appreciate how good The Big Unit was after he turned 30 or 32 or 37 or 42. His 91.8 career WAR should be a first class ticket to the Hall of Fame even if Bert Blyleven is still flying standby with his 90.1 WAR.

3. Roger Clemens
Years: 1995-1999 WAR: 30.2 ERA: 3.27 ERA+: 145
Clemens rollercoasted his single seasons WARs over a 24-year career accumulating an insane 128.4 of them. It's hard to predict how his alleged performance enhancing or sleeping with under aged country music stars will affect his Hall of Fame candidacy but the numbers should put him in by a landslide. These are all probably topics for another post but the Phils would be thrilled with that kind of performance over Lee's contract even if some indiscretions involving Taylor Swift popped up years from now.

4. Warren Spahn
Years: 1953-1957 WAR: 30.1 ERA: 2.79 ERA+: 132
I included the "liveball" wins leader because, well, he's the liveball wins leader. His 101 complete games is the closest to rivaling Gibson's 122 over the 32-36 year-old age bracket but Spahn posted a 1.80 K/BB ratio over that period and Cliff Lee might be able to top it with his eyes closed.

5. Kevin Brown
Years: 1997-2001 WAR: 30.0 ERA: 2.66 ERA+: 155
Brown had an even better 5-year streak that began just a year earlier in 1996 and ended with his 6.5 WAR as a 35-year-old. His 64.8 WAR makes him an interesting case for the Hall of Fame even though he only finished in the top three of Cy Young voting twice (both in his 32-36 range) during his 19 seasons while never winning it. Lee has already won one but will have to duel with a teammate for any future award. Either way, the Phillies would be more than happy to boast two or three of the National League's best pitchers in the upcoming seasons.

6. Phil Niekro
Years: 1971-1975 WAR: 30.0 ERA: 2.97 ERA+: 128
I could have left the list at a reasonable five but I felt like I'd be letting Rob Neyer down if I didn't include a knuckleballer on the list. And I wish I had a better reason than that because Niekro's 2.17 K/BB was only better than Spahn's aforementioned 1.90 ratio. Am I secretly hoping Lee starts throwing a knuckleball? Perhaps. Are the Phillies? Not so much.

7. David Cone
Years: 1995-1999 WAR: 23.8 ERA: 3.32 ERA+: 139
Mmmhmm. Which brings us to...

8. Greg Maddux
Years: 1998-2002 WAR: 23.7 ERA: 2.88 ERA+: 152
Welcome to the confusing stat portion of our program. Maddux had the third best ERA+ of this bunch and second best K/BB ratio (4.16) to Johnson's (4.48) but doesn't have the shiny WAR of his colleagues. Fangraphs WAR (fWAR) has him at 31.1 which, I assume, does a better job of evaluating his "Gold Glove" defense using UZR instead of Total Zone. Take a deep breath, don't let all of that nerdiness get to your head at once. However you look at Maddux's performance from 32 to 36, the Phillies would not regret their payroll splurge. But don't be surprised if a cheesesteak will run you around $33 inside the stadium, it's player number integration pricing!

The Math
It might be presumptuous to compare Cliff Lee to some of the greatest pitchers in baseball history but there is a case to be made that Lee could be great into his mid-thirties. Baseball-Reference has Lee as about a 5.5 WAR player per year over the past three seasons. Fangraphs has him as almost a 7 WAR player per season over that time. Let's say Lee ends up being a 6 WAR player over his Philly contract. If a player on the free market is worth $6 million per point of WAR, that would make Lee worth $180 million over five years instead of the $120 Philadelphia is paying him (and that's without inflation!).

Assuming Lee stays healthy over the next five years is a big leap of faith. But he will be playing with Doc Halladay who is two years into a pace that would make him the second greatest pitcher between the ages of 32 and 36. Doc might have some staying healthy secrets he can share. Or he's just some kind of freak of nature. Either way, I'm betting Lee stays healthy enough to make this contract look like a relative steal for the Phillies. Note: I'm a big sucker for WAR and terrible at gambling, actual results may vary.

Tuesday, December 7, 2010

Cliff Lee Stars In "Double Mystery!"

It was somewhat of a slow news day unless you were at the Winter Meetings and got to catch some of the fun sound bytes from Joe Maddon's presser or Mike Scioscia acknowledging the existence of on base percentage. Sure we got to tweet for a couple of hours about a potential swap of the Orioles' Nolan Reimold for the Rays' Jason Bartlett until that deal completely fell apart. Leave it to SI's Jon Heyman to save the day/evening with one little hashtag on Twitter. A little after 6 p.m. Heyman tweeted a second team was offering Cliff Lee seven years...


The "double mystery" hashtag was immediately a big hit with the Twitter nation and it sparked jokes ranging from the Scooby Doo variety to anything having to do with hamburgers. Now I could join in all of the reindeer games and make jokes for the rest of the night but I'd prefer to use my time for more productive endeavors. That's right, it's time for some wild and careless speculation about Lee's secret suitors...

1. Angels
This isn't exactly me going out on a limb since the Angels have been attached to every big name free agent on the market but the Halos do not like going over five years for contracts. I'd personally love to see a Lee, Jered Weaver, Dan Haren rotation but I desperately want Carl Crawford too. This is your last chance Santa...

The mystery: Is Arte Moreno's vast fortune actually from billboards or was he the basis of the Mexican Drug Lord from seasons five and six of Weeds? Either way, I'd like to see more Mary-Louise Parker at Angels games.

2. Nationals
Okay, I promise the speculation will get more careless in a minute. The Nats were rumored to be in on the Lee sweepstakes but denied making the initial seven year bid. Perhaps they made the second one.

The mystery: After the Nats laid out seven years and $126 million to Jayson Werth, it seems far fetched that Washington could afford another deal bigger than that. Unless Obama is funding the Nationals new payroll structure under the guise of this insane health care plan where Tommy John surgery is the only thing that's completely free. (Note: Don't send emails. I know Obama is a White Sox fan and I don't care about "Obama care" because I plan on making enough money from this blog to afford my own personal third world country doctor.)

3. Nippon-Ham Fighters
I told you it was about get wild and careless. It's widely known that Cliff Lee is a big Sumo wrestling supporter and his eighth favorite food is sushi.[citation needed] Nippon could afford the fat cash thanks to their success in meat packing (hee-hee).

The mystery: What is Spam made of?

4. Mariners + Indians
In this scenario, Seattle and Cleveland join forces and each of his former teams would get Lee every other year for six years. Then they trade him before the seventh year of the contract because both teams are still lousy. The good news for Cleveland and Seattle is they'll go down in the history books for co-owning a player for a long term contract. The bad news is they are both contracted after combining to lose 319 games in 2017.

The mystery: Why do people watch Mariners and Indians games?

5. Pirates
After 18 losing seasons and never having an ace-caliber starter, the Pirates splurge and dedicate 87% of their payroll to Lee. Unfortunately, Lee also becomes the 2nd and 3rd starters as well as the first baseman and right fielder. The 20 man roster is an utter disaster.

The mystery: Does futility know no bounds?

Friday, July 9, 2010

Lee To Not Pitch Against Yankees Friday

In a big move before the All-Star break, Texas traded for southpaw Cliff Lee and right-hander Mark Lowe, sending first baseman Justin Smoak, pitcher Blake Beavan and two other players to Seattle. Lee, despite having the middle name of Phifer, is still having a ridiculous season (2.34 ERA, 0.94 WHIP, 89-6 K-BB ratio in 103 2/3 IP) and strengthens the Rangers' already solid rotation.

Most importantly, Lee will not be on the mound when Seattle resumes its four-game series with the Yankees tonight.

Smoak was the Rangers' No. 1 draft choice (11th overall) in the 2008 draft, which has already seen Brian Matusz, Gordon Beckham, Ike Davis, Buster Posey and Pedro Alvarez reach the big leagues. Smoak was hitting .209/.316/.353 with eight home runs in 275 plate appearances for Texas, while Beavan, the No. 17 overall pick in the '07 draft, was 10-5 with a 2.78 ERA for AA Frisco and had just been called up to AAA Oklahoma City Tuesday.

Also, Lee will not be pitching for Seattle tonight against the Yankees.

Saturday, June 19, 2010

Curveballs for Jobu

Curveballs for Jobu is Off Base Percentage's daily trip around the ballparks.

Today's honorary bat boy: Amos Otis





Mariners 1, Reds 0. Cliff Lee is really good. The lefty pitched a complete game, six-hitter and didn't walk anyone. Again. Lee has walked four batters in 10 starts and hasn't given up a base on balls in 27 2/3 innings. Unfortunately, the Mariners are terrible, so Lee will be not walking batters for someone else in about 41 days.

Padres 3, Orioles 2. If David Hernandez is your closer, you probably stink. I think I'm going to make that into a t-shirt. Julio Lugo, who also has an odor, singled in the go-ahead run in the top of the ninth for Baltimore, but Hernandez loaded the bases with no one out in the bottom half, then quickly allowed the winning runs to score.

Indians 4, Pirates 3. Carlos Santana Watch: 2-for-2, 2 walks. The rookie phenom also ripped an RBI-double in a four-run seventh for the Indians, who had to get a save from the appendage formerly known as Kerry Wood's arm to hold off the Bucs. That's 12 consecutive losses for Pittsburgh. I'm all out of Pittsburgh Pirates jokes.

Marlins 7, Devilrays 4. Rookie Mike Stanton belted his first major league home run-a first-inning grand slam-to lead Florida. According to a number of published reports, Stanton came out for a current call, but I'm sorry, I just don't believe that actually happened.

Tuesday, June 8, 2010

Curveballs for Jobu

Curveballs for Jobu is Off Base Percentage's daily trip around the ballparks.

Today's honorary bat boy: Quilvio Veras





Cubs 6, Pirates 1. Carlos Silva is 8-0 with a 2.93 ERA after Monday's seven inning, four-hit effort. Carlos Silva: 2nd to Ubaldo Jimenez in the 2010 NL Cy Young voting? Maybe. 2010 Pirates: awful? Certainly.

Mariners 4, Rangers 2. This is the kind of game Seattle envisioned happening when they traded for Cliff Lee and signed Chone Figgins. Lee, despite having the middle name of Phifer, pitched a complete game, seven-hitter and threw 83 of his 106 pitches for strikes. Figgins had three hits in the nine-hole protecting the Babe Ruth of Lambrick Park, British Columbia (just coined it), Michael Saunders, whose three-run home run in the second was the difference.

Padres 3, Phillies 1. Cole Hamels had a no-hitter through 6 1/3 innings of a scoreless game until Adrian Gonzalez poked an opposite field home run. Scott Hairston followed with a his own Citizens Bank Park Special (hit the ball in the air, wait for it to travel over the outfield wall) and that was enough because Philly's offense was kidnapped by the surviving members of the 1951 Cincinnati Reds.



Diamondbacks 7, Braves 4. Derrick Lowe was locked in a 2-1 game until the bottom of the fifth happened. Mark Reynolds looked initially like he'd been jammed, but ended up launching a solo home run. After a single, three walks and another infield single made it 4-1, Stephen Drew, who looks just as interested in playing baseball as his brother, J.D., roped a three-run triple to put the game out of reach. Arizona remained 7 1/2 back of Colorado for fourth place in the NL West.

Angels 4, Athletics 2. Scott Kazmir allowed two or less earned runs for just the fourth time in 11 starts, but this was probably his best start of the year (6 1/3 IP, 5 H, 1 ER, 5 K) and the Angels won their sixth straight to gain sole possession of first place in the putrid AL West. Oh, I'm sorry, the competitive AL West.